OUR TRIP TO TUG HILL
My wife and I are landowners on Lent Hill with a windmill slated for our farm. With all the negative information put out by the Cohocton Wind Watch (CWW), we thought maybe we had missed something, how could we have done that, could we have made a bad judgment. Did we overlook something in our pre-investigation into windmills and on our trip to Fenner?
We decided to go to Tug Hill and talk to the locals. We randomly stopped at houses and spoke with owners and non-owners of windmills. We spoke to people in the local restaurant and to one employee.
The first thing we wanted to check out was the noise claim. We checked out the claim by the Cohocton Wind Watch that the generators would be equivalent to a 747 plane on top of each windmill. This is an absolute and preposterous fabrication by the anti-wind group. We drove our car up to the base of several windmills and had to cut the car off in order to hear any noise. We did hear a very slight whoosh and a very low noise from the generator. We cut the car off at 300 ft, 500 ft and 700 ft to hear what noise the generators make. 300 feet a small noise, 500 feet a very faint noise and 700 feet nothing. No roar of a 747 as the anti-wind advocates claim. No tumbling noise.
One local landowner had no windmills on his land but said he loved them. His pond was clear and he had Geese on it. There had been no dear kill and wildlife was all around. He viewed them as pleasing and calming. The greatest thing that has happen for the Town.
Another landowner, a dairy farmer said his cows had no trouble with the windmills and never have had a nosebleed as the group would have you believe. He would have to stop and listen to see if the windmills were making a noise. He was going to put his revenue back into his farm to keep him in operation for many years.
We asked about:
Ice throw none
Bird/wildlife kill none
Water pollution none
Pond stagnant none
All these with the others are false claims just to meet the agenda of CWW.
As far as the set back and locations we must say that our Planning Board has done one superior job with their requirements. The anti group has gone from a set back of 1,500 feet, then to 1 mile, then 2 ½ miles and now 5 miles. What next??
We also checked out the fabricated untruths that property values would drop like a rock.
The property values in Fenner have had a significant increase in value, not a drop.
In summary, Judy and I did not miss anything, what we did realize was that the Town
Fathers and the Town Planning Board have made the best plans available for Cohocton, and that the Cohocton Wind Watch has fabricated all the wildest scenarios to meet their own agenda.
Hal & Judy Stanton Graham
We decided to go to Tug Hill and talk to the locals. We randomly stopped at houses and spoke with owners and non-owners of windmills. We spoke to people in the local restaurant and to one employee.
The first thing we wanted to check out was the noise claim. We checked out the claim by the Cohocton Wind Watch that the generators would be equivalent to a 747 plane on top of each windmill. This is an absolute and preposterous fabrication by the anti-wind group. We drove our car up to the base of several windmills and had to cut the car off in order to hear any noise. We did hear a very slight whoosh and a very low noise from the generator. We cut the car off at 300 ft, 500 ft and 700 ft to hear what noise the generators make. 300 feet a small noise, 500 feet a very faint noise and 700 feet nothing. No roar of a 747 as the anti-wind advocates claim. No tumbling noise.
One local landowner had no windmills on his land but said he loved them. His pond was clear and he had Geese on it. There had been no dear kill and wildlife was all around. He viewed them as pleasing and calming. The greatest thing that has happen for the Town.
Another landowner, a dairy farmer said his cows had no trouble with the windmills and never have had a nosebleed as the group would have you believe. He would have to stop and listen to see if the windmills were making a noise. He was going to put his revenue back into his farm to keep him in operation for many years.
We asked about:
Ice throw none
Bird/wildlife kill none
Water pollution none
Pond stagnant none
All these with the others are false claims just to meet the agenda of CWW.
As far as the set back and locations we must say that our Planning Board has done one superior job with their requirements. The anti group has gone from a set back of 1,500 feet, then to 1 mile, then 2 ½ miles and now 5 miles. What next??
We also checked out the fabricated untruths that property values would drop like a rock.
The property values in Fenner have had a significant increase in value, not a drop.
In summary, Judy and I did not miss anything, what we did realize was that the Town
Fathers and the Town Planning Board have made the best plans available for Cohocton, and that the Cohocton Wind Watch has fabricated all the wildest scenarios to meet their own agenda.
Hal & Judy Stanton Graham
posted by Yes! Wind Power for Cohocton at
5:16 AM
8 Comments:
You must be reading another blog -The facts would be very nice to see at this site...
Please post the power plants that have been decommisioned by wind power. Please post the green house gas that has been lowered by wind power. Please post the gallons of oil we didn't buy because of wind power. Please post the property *sale* _data_ within 1 mile of wind turbines that didn't go down.
Please post the factual (not wishful beliefs, such as you like them, or they are good for us) benefits that outweigh the environmental costs (all the costs - not just your leaseholder checks).
I'll leave you with a fact to get you started: 60,000 industrial wind turbines worldwide, not a single power plant decommissioned, not one.
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Anonymous, at 4:29 PM
Graham needs to get his facts straight. No one ever claimed a wind turbine made a noise to a 747, they are as LARGE as a 747.
The noise from a wind turbine is available on the manufacturer's datasheet. Most are in the 100-106db range at 8/ms and full output.
Graham has no way of knowing what he heard because he has no data to know if the turbine was at full output.
One landowner said he "loved" them and his pond was clear? This is about the silliest non-scientific investigation I've ever read in my life.
Where Graham really falls off the wagon is with property values. He truely has no idea what he thinks he knows. Fenner did not increase - tax assessment did increase after the last assessment since the 90's.
That's no evidence (certainly none that would hold up in a court of law).
Further Graham isn't "slated" for anything - he signed up voluntarily in spite of the fact it's against zoning and there's no wind turbine law when he signed.
Now that he claims in print there's absolutely no basis for anyone to beleive in adverse impacts --- he's setting himself up for one whopper of a lawsuit once these go in and there are adverse impacts as demonstrated around the _world_. He's providing prima faca evidence of willful and gross negligence.
My trip to Tug Hill couldn't have been more different, but it's Graham's story that's the subject here.
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Anonymous, at 4:44 PM
You go first. Who is YESWINDCOHOCTON?
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Anonymous, at 4:35 AM
Jim (formosa),
While I can not say for certain any coal plants in New York have been shut down solely because of the four current New York wind farms. It is logical that wind farms will replace lost power from coal plants already shut down.
Just south of Corning stands the Hickling Station, a former New York State Electric and Gas power plant now owned by AES of Virginia. Hickling was a coal-feed plant burning coal from central Pennsylvania. The Hickling Station began operation in October 1947, answering a need for electric power in the Elmira North Waverly areas with up to 87 megawatts of electricity. The Cohocton Wind project is slated to be 82 megawatts. 82 vs. 87, looks to me like our wind farm could be replacing that coal plant.
During peak electric usage, about 75 million gallons of water per day were drawn from the river to cool the power plant's steam. As a result, the water was returned to the river approximately 20 degrees warmer. Aside from green house gases, I wonder what kind of environmental effects that must have had on the river. I have yet to hear that wind turbines raise the temperature of the air down wind.
The Hickling station is currently in long term cold standby, meaning it is still there, but it is not running. Why? Reports I have found state it was one of New York State's 21 dirtiest coal plants and producers of greenhouse gases. Other articles say it is just too expensive to bring these old coal plants up to new standards. The story is the similar with the AES plants in Dundee and Bainbridge, and Rochester Gas and Electric Bee Bee Station in Rochester.
Further research revealed that many of the older power plants were grandfathered in and were not subject to the tougher standards. The reason being that it was felt the older plants would soon be replaced because of their age, Hickling alone is almost 60 years old. As recently as last year a number of New York State power plant owners were sued by the States Attorney General’s Office for doing work which extended the generating life of these old plants but did not address the emission issues. As a result some are attempting to be brought in line with the new standards, but more are being shutdown or placed on “cold standby”.
As always I will attempt to research any new issue brought to my attention.
Rick Towner
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Anonymous, at 6:03 AM
Rick,
Good points about bad coal plants. The wind power sugarplum land of wishful thinking agrees with you that your wind project will replace that coal plant.
But no it's far from logical. Your 82mw is intermittent (no wind, no output). Therefore when your 82mw is not available when the wind stops blowing at 6am on a Friday, something else has to supply the demand. The grid has no storage tank - demand is always met. What would that be Rick? Bicycle's with pedals? Turn off the blender? Brown out, black out?
60,000 turbines no power plant decommissions, not one.
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formosa, at 11:43 AM
posting by formosa, James L.
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Yes! Wind Power for Cohocton, at 9:27 AM
I read with interest your articles on windmills. I grew up on the Tug Hill (my brother has 4 windmills on his land there), and I live not far from the nuke plants on Lake Ontario. I would MUCH prefer the windmills as neighbors.
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deerjohn, at 5:46 AM
Postings by formosa are the writings of James Lince, Wagner Gully Rd., Cohocton, New York.
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Yes! Wind Power for Cohocton, at 5:16 AM
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