Jim Lince(formosa),
As your site does not allow comment unless one is a registered user of the site, I have asked the YES! Wind Power for Cohocton group to copy your posting about Mick Sagrillo hear so that I may comment on it.
Mick Sagrillo is in fact a regular on the American Wind Energy Association’s (AWEA). I will go back and look at the recording of the town board meeting but I believe I stated this fact then. If I did not, I did post Mick’s letter in the front window of the Cohocton Wind Office with a bio of his wind energy work for all to see.
When I went looking for information on the Lincoln Wisconsin wind project and subsequent committee on a moratorium, I found Mick’s letter. I also did not stop there. I further looked into Mick Sagrillo and found the same things you now post on your site.
My first reaction was “Great, a person in the wind energy industry who sent out information against wind development and now has flip flopped”. But I did not stop there. I actually called and spoke with Mick. I learned that his expertise in is small residential type turbines. I learned that he sits on panels for the State of Wisconsin. And I learned that he was not alone in creating the Lincoln Wisconsin report, he was chairman, there was a member who was a land lease holder, a member who was not a lease holder but pro-wind, a member who was neutral, and a member who Mick described as “DEEPLY” opposed.
I also learned that there is another wind project close to the one spoke of in the report. Mick told me on the phone that one thing they learned in researching for the report was that people were more upset with the developer than they were with the projects themselves. People around the Madison Gas and Electric project generally had less complaints or issues than those around the Wisconsin Public Service project, even though the Madison Electric and Gas project has 3 more turbines than the Public Service project.
All of this information is available at the Cohocton Wind Office for anyone who is interested.
Tuesday, July 04, 2006
Mick Sagrillo: AWEA regular!
As Published in American Wind Energy Association's website. The very same Mick Sagrillo, who was the Chairman of the Lincoln moratorium, the very same Mick Sagrillo who wrote a passionate letter to AWEA as the "chairman" discrediting the Lincoln report. The very same Mick Sagrillo, UPC's Rick Towner stood up and used as evidence that Lincoln was misleading. The very same Mick Sagrillo has actively written about wind turbines on the AWEA website. He has his own page! http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/We know it's the same Mick, because as chairman he wrote a letter in the Lincoln report using his "Power and Light" letterhead. So here's a "prowind" guy telling us the complaints at Lincoln were misleading - no wonder!!!! Funny how he doesn't state any of this in his letter to the AWEA as Chairman of Lincoln moratorium?One can only imagine who introduced the concept of industrial wind to Lincoln? The more you dig the more dirt you find.ADVICE FROM AN EXPERTby Mick SagrilloRESIDENTIAL WIND TURBINES AND NOISE--Mick Sagrillo, Sagrillo Power & LightAre residential wind systems too noisy?When a prospective wind generator owner seeks approval for a building permit for his or her project from a local zoning committee, the permit is occasionally held up by someone with concerns about the noise that the wind system may produce. Many times, the installation in question is the first that the zoning committee has dealt with, and there is likely not another residential wind system of similar make nearby to serve as a basis from which the zoning committee can make firsthand observations.[Note: Mick's articles on noise db's doesn't include distance, so the measurements are meaningless. Vacuum cleaner - 70db @ what distance? Sound levels need two variables SPL (sound pressure level) and distance. And yes I did take a class on acoustic engineering - formosa](rest can be found on the AWEA's website)
posted by formosa at 10:03 PM
Rick Towner
Public Outreach
Coordinator
UPC Wind Management, LLC
28 Maple Avenue
Cohocton, NY 14806
Tel: 585.384.9505
Fax: 585.384.5023
Mobile: 585.944.4684
Email: rtowner@upcwind.com
www.upcwind.com
As your site does not allow comment unless one is a registered user of the site, I have asked the YES! Wind Power for Cohocton group to copy your posting about Mick Sagrillo hear so that I may comment on it.
Mick Sagrillo is in fact a regular on the American Wind Energy Association’s (AWEA). I will go back and look at the recording of the town board meeting but I believe I stated this fact then. If I did not, I did post Mick’s letter in the front window of the Cohocton Wind Office with a bio of his wind energy work for all to see.
When I went looking for information on the Lincoln Wisconsin wind project and subsequent committee on a moratorium, I found Mick’s letter. I also did not stop there. I further looked into Mick Sagrillo and found the same things you now post on your site.
My first reaction was “Great, a person in the wind energy industry who sent out information against wind development and now has flip flopped”. But I did not stop there. I actually called and spoke with Mick. I learned that his expertise in is small residential type turbines. I learned that he sits on panels for the State of Wisconsin. And I learned that he was not alone in creating the Lincoln Wisconsin report, he was chairman, there was a member who was a land lease holder, a member who was not a lease holder but pro-wind, a member who was neutral, and a member who Mick described as “DEEPLY” opposed.
I also learned that there is another wind project close to the one spoke of in the report. Mick told me on the phone that one thing they learned in researching for the report was that people were more upset with the developer than they were with the projects themselves. People around the Madison Gas and Electric project generally had less complaints or issues than those around the Wisconsin Public Service project, even though the Madison Electric and Gas project has 3 more turbines than the Public Service project.
All of this information is available at the Cohocton Wind Office for anyone who is interested.
Tuesday, July 04, 2006
Mick Sagrillo: AWEA regular!
As Published in American Wind Energy Association's website. The very same Mick Sagrillo, who was the Chairman of the Lincoln moratorium, the very same Mick Sagrillo who wrote a passionate letter to AWEA as the "chairman" discrediting the Lincoln report. The very same Mick Sagrillo, UPC's Rick Towner stood up and used as evidence that Lincoln was misleading. The very same Mick Sagrillo has actively written about wind turbines on the AWEA website. He has his own page! http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/We know it's the same Mick, because as chairman he wrote a letter in the Lincoln report using his "Power and Light" letterhead. So here's a "prowind" guy telling us the complaints at Lincoln were misleading - no wonder!!!! Funny how he doesn't state any of this in his letter to the AWEA as Chairman of Lincoln moratorium?One can only imagine who introduced the concept of industrial wind to Lincoln? The more you dig the more dirt you find.ADVICE FROM AN EXPERTby Mick SagrilloRESIDENTIAL WIND TURBINES AND NOISE--Mick Sagrillo, Sagrillo Power & LightAre residential wind systems too noisy?When a prospective wind generator owner seeks approval for a building permit for his or her project from a local zoning committee, the permit is occasionally held up by someone with concerns about the noise that the wind system may produce. Many times, the installation in question is the first that the zoning committee has dealt with, and there is likely not another residential wind system of similar make nearby to serve as a basis from which the zoning committee can make firsthand observations.[Note: Mick's articles on noise db's doesn't include distance, so the measurements are meaningless. Vacuum cleaner - 70db @ what distance? Sound levels need two variables SPL (sound pressure level) and distance. And yes I did take a class on acoustic engineering - formosa](rest can be found on the AWEA's website)
posted by formosa at 10:03 PM
Rick Towner
Public Outreach
Coordinator
UPC Wind Management, LLC
28 Maple Avenue
Cohocton, NY 14806
Tel: 585.384.9505
Fax: 585.384.5023
Mobile: 585.944.4684
Email: rtowner@upcwind.com
www.upcwind.com
4 Comments:
Rick, you can post on my site, I just don't allow anonymous postings. For example Tom Gray from awea posted on my site. What I won't allow is anyone to post links to supporting articles in comments. But if you want to have a dialog, agree or disagree with the posts that's fine.
Formosa
By formosa, at 6:13 PM
Jim Lince, blogsite, "LEAVE YOUR COMMENT" ---comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author. This blog does not allow anonymous comments. You must be registered with blogger.com in order to leave a comment. Cohocton Wind Watch blogsite, NO COMMENTS CAN BE POSTED. NO DIALOG WANTED
By Anonymous, at 10:13 AM
Jim is wrong. His site is set for blogger login only and I do not want to start a blog just so I can respond to him.
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By Anonymous, at 2:56 PM
Welcome to the internet where anonymous isn't good policy for numerous reasons.
And "anonymous" the problem is? I don't allow anonymous comments. Have a nice day.
Rick Towner --- that's pretty laim. If you want to post on blogs then you should have a blogger account (you don't need to start a blog).
The YES site is moderator enabled as well - double standards?
Seems to me are you crying alligator tears.
By formosa, at 7:32 AM
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